Interview with 7 Stages Shakespeare Company
I caught up with the Co-Founder and Artistic Director of the 7 Stages Shakespeare Company Dan Beaulieu. We discuss some of the many experiences that Dan and the company have had, his podcast No Holds Bard, and much more. (More interviews here.)
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7 Stages Shakespeare Company Interview
Michael Van Osch: Hey, this is Michael Van Osch. Welcome to the HARK Journal where we send you a two-minute daily meditation on Shakespeare’s wisdom so that you can have a better day, hopefully a better life and a better career. And we’re in our interview series again here. And really happy to have Dan Beaulieu on the line from 7 Stages Shakespeare Company up in New Hampshire, Maine, New York, all different places.
Dan, thanks so much. How are ya?
Dan Beaulieu: Thank you. Thank you. I’m well, I’m happy to be here and thanks for inviting me.
Michael Van Osch: Yeah, absolutely. It took us a while to get connected, but we finally did it. How are things up there in the North-Northeast for you guys with COVID these days?
Dan Beaulieu: Yeah, it’s loose.
It’s you know, it’s, it’s, it’s peaking. We, we were lucky. We were fortunate in the early days to sort of be safeguarded and then, you know, that New Hampshire foliage is impossible to resist and all the tourists came through and they brought a whole bunch of stuff with them. That’s not true. That is true.
But also it’s just, it’s, it’s spiking up here at the moment. And it’s cold. So, you know, people are, this is the time of year that it’s 10 degrees today and people are wanting to get outside just to like, enjoy the snow and enjoy public. But at what cost. Yeah, sure. That’s unique. It’s a unique, it’s a unique month, a unique year up in the Northeast.
Michael Van Osch: Absolutely. Well, thanks again for joining me here. I mean, you’ve done so much in the Shakespeare world and, and that’s what we’re here to highlight. And first and foremost, just tell us a little bit about how and why about how you started 7 Stages Shakespeare Company, and kind of where it’s, where it’s going.
Cause it’s you seem to be all over the place with everything. So it’s awesome.
Dan Beaulieu: We do our best. We, you know, a lot of what we talk about internally is trying to examine the not what Shakespeare did, but how he did it. So this is this sort of nomadic go where the work is. You know, we don’t have a home that we call our own per se.
We go to different spaces. We go to different cities. We go to different countries. That’s a big part of who we are and accessibility is a big part of who we are that no matter what, whatever financial or emotional barriers you bring to Shakespeare, there’s a door for you to come in and experience it.
So everything we do is free for all or pay what you will. We have a bunch of tremendous donors and sponsors who make that possible, but it’s really our belief that if anyone wants to come in. They are, they should be welcomed with open arms. Although I closed my arms when I said that. So welcome with open arms.
Yes. How did we found it? It was co-founded by Christine Penney and myself. And a year later, Kevin Condardo came on as the managing director. So it’s sort of a three-headed monster that runs 7 Stages. It was, it was founded, there was a program called Shakespeare in Prescott Park which Christine started a year before 7 Stages actually began.
They did a production of A Midsummer Night’s Dream, which was successful. Year two of Shakespeare in Prescott Park was Much Ado About Nothing. And I was living in New York City at the time. And Christine asked me to come up and direct it. And my father was living in the seacoast of New Hampshire at the time.
So I was going back and forth anyway. And I was like, yeah, I’d love to do that. And I was traveling and commuting and we were doing two days of rehearsal, five days off, two days of rehearsal, five days off and built this show and somewhere during the process. Christine and I were like, this kind of works this, this idea.
Maybe it should be more than just a summer program. What can we do in the fall? And should this be a company? And we came up with this notion of Shakes-perience, which is a Shakespearian, a reading of a text script in one hand libation and another at a, at a bar. And it was a way we did five, five variances a season in the fall to winter as a way of both audience development and also a way to do, to explore the Canon fully.
You know, it’s a tough sell to do King John on your summer stage outdoor when someone could go to the beach and sand, but on a cold January night, on a Monday night, go down to the bar and hear a King John that’s doable. And that’s how we, that’s how we started. And that was nine years ago. I mean, eight years ago.
I don’t know. I forget, it’s grown since then.
Michael Van Osch: Yeah. You know, I find that it’s interesting because Shakespeare and libations seem to go together a lot these days. Well, not this these days in all cases, almost that’s right. A lot of people that have done stuff like that. And you also do that sort of thing with your podcast. Yes, No Holds Bard as well.
Some of them you do in bars. I know. Cause I’ve listened to some of them and they’re great. You know what, before you get into that, let me read a little bit about your bio for the folks that are watching, because you just have so much and it’s just, it’s fascinating. Yeah. You’re the co-founder and artistic director of the 7 Stages Shakespeare Company obviously. You’re also an ambassador for the Shakespeare Society in New York City. And I want to ask about that later and a proud member of the internationally acclaimed Shakespeare Ensemble led by Ben crystal. You’re an award-winning actor, director. You’ve basically been involved in all the Shakespeare plays in some way, shape or form.
It sounds like, I mean, you’ve got acting and directing credits all over the place from a Much Ado, Romeo and Juliet, the remix, Hamlet you’ve been in, you’ve done Hamlet, Richard III, Titus, Romeo, Mercutio, Friar Lawrence. It goes on and on and on. So, I mean, you have huge experience on both sides of acting and directing.
There’s a couple of the things I want to highlight for folks too, because it’s very interesting. You were part of a team that created something called ShakesXperience. And I think I said that, right. That’s right. Okay. Which is a program for people 65 years old and better that utilize a Shakespeare’s work, open up conversations about their lives and their life experience, which is that’s phenomenal.
And what else here? During COVID you alongside Montgomery Sutton, who is the master of rebels for Rude Grooms out of New York city. You brought to life; a project called Shakespeare Happy Hours. Here’s this theme again? I like it. I like it, which over the course of three months, one ensemble of 40 artists from around the world, get this, presented all of Shakespeare’s plays and roughly the reverse chronological order and they were written.
So. Wow. So you’ve been busy during COVID, which is great. And you have let’s talk about this last piece that you mention here, possibly an upcoming one-artist show that you’re working on to deal with COVID. Can you tell us a little bit about that or is that secret?
Dan Beaulieu: Well, to quote the great movie Zoolander, I can’t tell you anything about it, but what I can tell you is that it’s called, rough working title at the moment is Bound in a Nutshell, taken from the Hamlet’s quote. “I could be bound in a nutshell and count myself the King of infinite space where it, not that I have bad dreams”, which I, I find really like devastating and resonates on a personal level and on a level of many people that I know of.
Like, I don’t need anything, I just want to be able to sleep at night. And I feel like COVID has destroyed that for a lot of people. So this notion of what is it to be isolated? What is it to be bounded in a nutshell? And how, how as an artist, are we existing? How are we coping? How are we creating?
How are we self-caring? So it’s, it’s early, early stages. We’re coming up on the one-year anniversary of closing down a production that I was directing and shooting towards that, to have a better idea of what it looks like. And maybe as a as a birthday to isolation of a one-year birthday party will be this sort of I don’t want to say avant-garde cause it’s not, but it’s just, you know, as, as I said before, we’re on the air as it were, I was just looking at your article, ‘How COVID saved my life’.
And a lot of us have experienced anxiety and isolation and how do we respond? And can we respond? And I’m also very much provoked by this question, which I hadn’t heard since undergrad, but I’m hearing from a lot of people. So what are you doing now? And it’s like, we’re artists, we don’t just cease to be artists because we can’t perform, you know, that the matriculation and the, the, the, the, the need to, to read and grow and observe, and then reflect doesn’t stop because we’re stuck at home.
And yet people who have known me for a long time or sort of going like, okay, so what’s your plan for work?
Being an artist is a vocation that hasn’t changed. It’s going to probe all of these things. I think Shakespeare will be at the heart of it, but I don’t know that it’s going to be like a review of Shakespeare scenes.
Michael Van Osch: Yeah. Yeah.
Dan Beaulieu: So that’s all, that’s all I can tell you.
Michael Van Osch: I mean, it sounds, it sounds like it’s going to be a great piece. However, it comes out and obviously this is something again that you probably won’t be able to do in-person for people. So what’s, what’s your whole take on, on all of us interacting through zoom as artists and audiences?
Dan Beaulieu: I, you know, I think it’s important.
I think it’s important to be adaptable. I think it’s really, it’s part of what we are trained to do. As, as artists, you’re, you know, it’s part of what I’ve loved about much of the Shakespeare work I’ve done as you go into a space and you look at it and you say, what is this space telling me? And how can I use that to my benefit, to help tell a story.
And the space now just happens to be for me a 13 inch square for others, multiple screens for some Well, however big, this is square. So I remember reading or hearing a Ted talk somewhere like we’ve gone from telling stories on, on the cave walls to Facebook walls, and that’s an important thing to do.
So this is just part of our journey. You know, I think it, I think it’s painful for a lot of us who want to be in person, but at the same time out of pain, there can come growth. Yeah, that would just kind of tell stories.
Michael Van Osch: Yeah. And it seems to me too, that that most people are feeling like there are things that we’ve all learned through this experience of being, not in person that that can add to what we want to do when we get back to quote unquote normal.
So hopefully that hopefully that happens.
Dan Beaulieu: Yeah. Yeah. There’s, you know, I’m, I’m intrigued too with this notion of never going back to what we thought was normal and just moving forward and, and learning from it and growing, and there will be one hell of a party someday. I can’t wait for it, but I’m going to have to wait.
We all are, but I’ll be there.
Michael Van Osch: Absolutely. Let’s hope. This is the second round of the roaring twenties as they’re talking about.
Dan Beaulieu: Right. So it could happen, you know, I mean, we’re. 21 - nine years. If we can figure this out at nine years, please,
Michael Van Osch: and don’t bother throwing prohibition in there, we need the alcohol.
So just forget about it. So, yeah.
So tell me a little bit about the, about the ShakesXperience for people 75 years old and better. Cause that is really interesting to me.
Dan Beaulieu: It was. It’s 65 years old and better. It was, it came it was a collaboration with my dear, dear, dear friends and mentor John McCluggage and Alexander Urbanowski.
John has been a very much, a massive influence in my understanding of the world and Shakespeare and art and what it means to be an artist. And we were talking, they’re based on the West coast out in the Bay area. Silicon Valley Creates sponsored the project. And we were looking at, you know, this is part of what I think is the beauty of Shakespeare.
I think it’s beautiful in the way that you approach Shakespeare with HARK Journal. I think it’s, you know, there’s, you can always take Shakespeare and make it about… make it a door into another room. ShakesXperience was a way to bring people together who are 65 years old and better to really. Talk about their life experience and to talk about things that they’re dealing with and things we had…
We had an incredible woman who’s 102 years old read Juliet. And she was, I remember reading this in college 80, 80 years ago. And it sort of, it was like, can we just all stop for a minute? I don’t really know how to comprehend anything else that you say. Because I’m stuck on, you know, that’s not, that’s only, that’s less than a quarter of Shakespeare’s works existence.
So it really also speaks to the profundity of this text that we get to work with. But we also had some incredible conversations about mercy and, you know, someone says, I want to talk about mercy and we bring in Portia and 20 minutes later, they’re talking about forgiving their daughter for leaving their faith.
And it’s just a way it’s, it’s therapeutic in a way that theater shouldn’t be; theater can be therapeutic but not therapy. Right. That’s Ben that that notion of here’s a way, if you said like, come in and let’s talk about your feelings, people might not want to do that, but if you can say, we’re going to look at some texts and then go, well, how have you experienced mercy in your life?
And then there’s a blossoming of shared experiences. Also there’s an entire generation. This is part of what I was drawn to as a relatively early career artist is there’s a whole generation of storytellers who exist, have lived much of their lives without social media and without content and without headphones.
And they, the way they tell stories is gorgeous and it’s going away. So if there’s any chance to be in the room with them and experience the way that they tell those stories, it’s very valuable. And to watch a video of it will be inherently different than to sit across the table from them and just say, what do you know that I don’t know.
And the other thing, rambling a bit, but the other great part of. The ShakesXperience is the training in ageism, which I found incredibly valuable. And this notion of 65 years and older versus 65 years and better. And like just that phrase alone is opening a door to say that it’s not about being old.
It’s about having, one of the quotes that stuck with me is: we contain all the ages we have ever been. So as someone who’s 37, just look to look at someone who’s 80. Yeah. And say you, you inherently have been me and I have never been you. So please tell me what, you know, if you want to. Also, if you want to be quiet, I’ll read to you or I’ll sit in silence with you.
It’s a really beautiful program. It’s brought me more than I brought to it, for sure.
Michael Van Osch: Is it ongoing or is it, was it just, did it just take place at one time or tell me about that? Cause I’m sure people would like to look into it.
Dan Beaulieu: It is not ongoing at the moment, but like many things, it is it’s something we’re hoping to bring back at a future date.
It was it was funded by a grant, which was a, I think it was a two year grant. So we ran it for two years. But part of the grant that it was funded by was you cannot reapply for this grant. So, but hopefully in the future we’ll be able to bring it back.
Michael Van Osch: There’s, you know, and I think that we only learn this as we get older, in my opinion, but there is so much to be learned from people who are older than us who have lived more than us who have more experience than us.
And when we’re young, we kind of toss it off, whatever, you know, I’m, you know, I’m focused on me as a younger person or whatever. And as the years go by, it’s like, wow, I don’t know everything, but they know. I mean, they’ve got twice as many years. They may have known twice as many things as I do. And if they’ll talk to me, I’ll listen.
Dan Beaulieu: Yeah. Yeah. And with a culture that is so increasingly like products now, what can you do for me now? How fast can we do this? There was great value in looking outside of the culture that we, many of us exist in. I shouldn’t say we know the audience; your audience is global. So some of these cultures get it. Respect your elders is more than just a three-word statement.
You know, it’s incredibly important to remember as I think much like HARK Journal, a daily practice. What do you know that? I don’t know.
Michael Van Osch: That’s great. Cool, great. Cool. So you have with Kevin, I believe. A podcast that Shakespeare would have listened to.
Dan Beaulieu: That’s right. Asterisk.
Michael Van Osch: No Holds Bard, I love it. Tell us, tell us about that because it’s brilliant.
Dan Beaulieu: Oh, thanks.
Thank you, Michael. Well, this is another recurring theme of this this, this chat is the pod is currently on pause. How long that pause will be we do not know. But it was born out of Kevin and I went to college together at the University of New Hampshire, go cats. I believe in UNH, great hockey school.
We both grew up playing hockey and found our way into theater during high school. And we both shared a similar sort of like disdain for Shakespeare in our high school years, and then in college and beyond it sort of welcomed us in, but it wasn’t like, Oh, I love Shakespeare. I was, I was seven years old and was a Shakespeare savant.
I was like, okay. It’s very boring. It’s very, it’s impossible to understand. Can I go outside and play? Absolutely. So we, we grew up both in the sports world and in this, this place of, you know, as going to a state school, we would, we would work hard, play hard if you know what I mean, this might be part of the love of doing Shakespeare in bars.
So the podcast was really born out of. You know, we would sit around and, and talk, you know, if you were going to make a softball team with Shakespeare characters, who would be like, that was like a regular conversation in our, in our apartment. We lived together at the time we were living in Brooklyn together.
And we hit a certain saturation point of people saying, you guys should just put a microphone in the room and hit record. Like, don’t change anything, just talk to each other. Which is what we did. Yeah. We also. Both love sports talk radio, which is like they have mastered the art of talking for four hours about nothing.
So like that was part of looking at sports talk radio programs we liked, so we could give it a structure. And then also. If you’ve listened to the pod, Kevin is very put together and I’m very much not, which is reflective of our lives. So there is, there is structure. He drives the bus and I’m like the kid in the back row of the bus, like throwing paper at the bus driver.
So that was how we got started. It started as a bi-weekly thing and then it started as a weekly, or then it became. You can’t start twice. It became a weekly podcast with structured inside of the month. And then we, you know, life happens. We move out of different apartments. We moved to different cities, moved to different States and it becomes much harder to get home from work at 2:00 AM and go ok, you up? Let’s record.
Michael Van Osch: So one of the things I love about it is, is you know, the, the portion of it where you, you know, you pull apart a, a show for people that are going to attend in the future, you know, so yeah. I think it’s called. So you’re going to see merchant of Venice. Yeah. So tell us, tell us a little bit about that because you may not be recording now, but there’s so much there for people to listen to ongoing that.
It’s just, it’s great. And I think it’s a great concept too about, well, you tell us what the concept is.
Dan Beaulieu: So I would actually love to hear what you think it’s about.
Michael Van Osch: I think it’s about preparing people to enjoy Shakespeare more than they might have. That’s, that’s kind of immediately where I went to it because I recall times when I didn’t enjoy it, as much as I wanted to, and I was the same as you in high school too.
It’s like, I can’t listen to this or read this stuff. Let’s get back out on the ice and play hockey and don’t give me this stuff. Right. So, yeah. So that’s, that’s immediately where I go with it.
Dan Beaulieu: Yeah. That’s it exactly. You know, we were and part of So inside, inside baseball, behind the scenes, we would talk about, so you’re going to see, those are evergreen episodes where a lot of our episodes, which were week to week were based on current events, the evergreens were, were recorded so that they could.
Be listened to at any time. And you wouldn’t know when they were recorded. It might’ve been yesterday. It might’ve been 20 years ago.
They’re also the only episodes we don’t swear on because we wanted them to be able to be played in the car for kids who are going to see a show so that they can, they can walk in, they can walk in with just you know, the casino always has that little one extra percent.
Like that’s kind of the idea is that you can walk in and go like. All right. I know what they’re supposed to do. Now, if they set this on Mercury, I can’t help the production, but at least I know this story. It sort of frees you up to be able to observe, observe. We talked about, you know, some of the earlier conversations where like the person who is invited on a date, to go see a Shakespeare play and they’re not a Shakespeare person, but they wanna be able to hang in a conversation and be like, Oh, well, did you know that this was actually written in 1606?
And like, now we’re going out for drinks after the show. So it’s, it’s a user friendly 30 minutes. Those are our tightest episodes as well. It’s just something that you can pop in the idea. So you pop it on the car. It, can you pop it on in the car on the way to go see a show and just walk in with a little bit of a competitive edge?
Michael Van Osch: Yeah. Yeah, I love it. And then there’s some of the others too, which, which I love too, where you’re obviously in a bar and you’re then pulling people in and saying, okay, here’s five questions. Let’s see how good you are at Shakespeare. And those are a blast too. People do pretty well. People do pretty well.
Dan Beaulieu: Yeah, it was, that was fun.
That’s based on a segment from Boston sports, the sports radio called Ask A Pink Hat, which is, you know, the, the, the pink, Red Sox hats, which are people. They would this, the sports, the Boston sports radio guys would wait outside Fenway park for someone to come out after a game. And it’s like, she’s wearing a pink hat.
I’d be like, can I ask you five questions about what you just saw? It’s a really like, you know, it’s silly, but fun to play along with.
Michael Van Osch: Absolutely. So tell me what’s what is the, and that’s called No Holds Bard people. I’ll put it in the, I’ll put it in the show notes so you can check it out. It’s hilarious.
And it’s enlightening as well. So wanted to ask about what is the Shakespeare society of New York City. And what do you do with that?
Dan Beaulieu: Sure. The, the Shakespeare society, I was an ambassador and it’s actually it’s last year. It was, it’s now under the umbrella of the Public Theatre and has been renamed the Shakespeare Initiative and the ambassador program doesn’t exist anymore.
But the ambassador program was incredible. It was a wonderful opportunity for networking with fellow Shakespeareans in the city who are all around the same, at the same spot in their careers attended to all sorts of you know, there was a night about Shakespeare and opera at the met hosted by Jonathan Bate.
And we got to help facilitate the event and then hang out afterwards and meet and talk to people about what they had just heard. And it’s just a really wonderful, it was a really my Shakespearean network just… by being part of that, that group it is continuing as the Shakespeare Initiative. I don’t know if they’re going to bring back the ambassador program.
That’s above my pay grade to know the answer to that, but I hope they do because it really did a lot for so many people. And we have, there was, there was one night, this is a quick, quick tangent, but it was a fun. My friend, Sarah and I were asked to create an evening for society members. So the Shakespeare society was a membership group.
Okay. And then people as an ambassador, we sort of facilitated the members. It was like in reality, I guess it is sort of like a really advanced internship, kind of feels like that. You know, you get, you get benefits for doing the work. So we were asked to curate, Sarah and I were asked to curate a night on Romeo and Juliet.
It was to be held on the third floor of a bar. In Midtown Manhattan. So we met for a couple hours. So I’m like, what would be interesting about Romeo and Juliet for this, this group of people who are very well versed in Shakespeare, the Shakespeare Society that some of the most, well, the knowledgeable Shakespeareans in the city.
And we’re like, okay, what if we do a night about the scenes that you never see in Romeo and Juliet? The scenes that are always cut and we make it about like, what are you missing? So we were like, yeah, that’s great. That’s great. That’s great. We’re nerds. So we’re pumped. So we looked at that little scene with Capulet and the servants, and we looked a lot of Peter’s stuff and hearts ease and all of this stuff you never see.
The second prologue, which I guess is yeah, second prologue. And it was like a 90 minute event. Got through 75 minutes of it. And we’re like, we have a little room for Q and A and we were pumped and we’re like, okay. So do you have any questions or anything you want to share? And they were like, can you do the balcony scene?
All right. Cool. We could have done that for 90 minutes, but you know, valuable, valuable lessons learned in that.
Michael Van Osch: Best laid plans and all that. Yeah.
Dan Beaulieu: Amen.
Michael Van Osch: That’s great. Yeah. So in this where we are now in the world, and I don’t necessarily mean about COVID, but just where we are in 2021, from your experience, because you’ve got so much, but what do you see Shakespeare providing to our lives these days in this modern world?
I mean, it’s an opinion question and I would just love to hear your opinion because I know there’s various, various opinions out there about it. But I’m learning so much as a non-Shakespeare scholar through this HARK project that, yeah, I would love to hear what, what you think about that.
Dan Beaulieu: This is sort of a workaround to answer, but I believe it to be true.
I think what Shakespeare can provide in this world is what you seek. If you seek comfort, it’s there for you. If you seek motivation, it’s there for you. If you seek escapism, it’s there for you? I think that’s part of the beauty of Shakespeare. I think it’s part of why Shakespeare has been around for 400 years.
Is that in what, any moment, what you need and the, the general you, what you and I need might be different and what I need today, it might be different from what I need tomorrow, but I can always pick up a play. I can often pick up the same play. And find what I need in that day, which is again, I think part of the beauty of HARK Journal, like really, you know, or to it than just words on a page.
Yeah. There’s insight. There’s solace and there’s also just truth. No, it’s not always going to be happy. Yeah. There are hard times and a lot of the characters go, he writes characters going through hard times and he’s not afraid to tell us how they feel. Or to have them tell us how they feel.
Yeah. Which is I think, beautiful and necessary.
Michael Van Osch: I think we’re going to create a plaque with your answer. I mean, it was just thanks for it. Provides us with what we see, you know, I mean well done. Well done. I assure you people. This was not rehearsed before.
Dan Beaulieu: I don’t remember saying it. So it’s gonna be amazing.
Michael Van Osch: Where do you want to see, where do you want to see 7 Stages go in the future?
Dan Beaulieu: You know, I think we were, we were on a journey and we’re still on that journey. I would love to just continue the work that we were doing. I would like to see us. I would love to see us going into more spaces into more communities like to go to, I’d like to reach outside of our comfort zone more.
I would really, I would really like to serve communities of all ethnicities of all economic backgrounds. I’d like to see us pushing the envelope as much as we can. And I’d also like to just see us, you know, never straying from who we are. That’s, that’s a very important, I don’t want to see it as a tether necessarily, but like this sort of magnetic force that sends us out and also keeps us, keeps us humble and keeps us focused.
Michael Van Osch: Yeah. Fantastic.
Dan Beaulieu: Also like just see us in a theater, not ours, but just like, I’d like to see us in a room with people on a very basic level.
Michael Van Osch: Absolutely. Well, we’ll continue to do what we can here to promote you guys and highlight what you’re doing on, on all the fronts that you work on. I mean, I really appreciate you taking the time today, so I appreciate you keeping too much longer, but stay on afterwards, after we say goodbye. Cause I got a few other things I want to talk to you privately about. Oh, don’t tell anyone.
Dan Beaulieu: But you see how good I do at not telling things
Michael Van Osch: What I always ask people. And I don’t know if you’ve watched other interviews or not, but the final question is that I ask everyone is if Shakespeare was on the zoom call with us and you got to ask him one question, what would you want to ask him?
Dan Beaulieu: Do you want to go to the bar?
Michael Van Osch: That’s the best yet.
Dan Beaulieu: Yeah. It’s like asking a genie for more wishes.
Michael Van Osch: Yeah. Right, right. Absolutely. And then, you know, while you’re there, you’re going to learn more about him and life and his work than anything. Right?
Dan Beaulieu: That’s how it works.
Michael Van Osch: Yeah, love it. That’s great. Well, Dan, thank you so much. Again, folks, look at the show notes for 7 Stages Shakespeare Company, No Holds Bard and everything else that we’ve talked about.
Thanks so much, Dan keeping. Yeah, we’ll talk to you soon. Thanks for supporting HARK journal too.
Dan Beaulieu: And thanks for the people who are watching for watching.
Michael Van Osch: Great. Thanks, man.
Dan Beaulieu: Ciao
